“Kosovo” is a gangster state, with a big goal, said the legendary American film director Oliver Stone in an interview with journalist Tucker Carlson and professor Peter Kayenik.

In “Untold History,” in a conversation about Russian-American relations decades ago, the interlocutors mentioned American interventions in numerous countries, including the NATO bombing of Serbia in 1999.

When asked by Carlson what the point was, Stone stated that it was just an excuse for the West to “catch butchers” there, that is, dictators in Serbia, but that the essential goal was destabilization.

“We bombed a city in Europe, Belgrade, in 1999. Think about it,” Stone underlined.

He added that this is American policy – “divide, rule, divide, rule.”

He pointed out that Kosovo is “a violation at the deepest level of everything we are talking about”.

“They had a referendum that was a bit suspicious… But we said that they are free, that they are no longer part of Serbia. It’s a gangster state with a big goal. I’ve been there, I can tell you it’s terrible what happened,” Stone said.

Professor Kazak, on the other hand, has a completely different view of what happened in Russia compared to the West.

“About 96 percent of Russians believe that what happened was a war crime. The U.S. is establishing a rules-based international order, which meant going through the United Nations. But when they couldn’t get it, they did it themselves, militarily,” Kafik recalled.

In the conversation, which lasted more than an hour and 40 minutes, the interlocutors touched on most of the current world topics, from relations between Russia and the United States, through the conflicts in Ukraine, the Middle East and the latest events related to Trump’s appearances, but also events such as the attack on Serbia in 1990 and the consequences for world politics and order.